tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8812043282272915800.post2969217189933062963..comments2024-02-15T21:24:23.524-08:00Comments on Today in The Endless War: News of the Day for Sunday, February 20, 2011Cervanteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11302076828795198187noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8812043282272915800.post-86930735741552586822011-02-21T19:38:22.001-08:002011-02-21T19:38:22.001-08:00"He used chemical weapons against the Kurds i..."He used chemical weapons against the Kurds in the 80s. He used massive military hardware against the people's uprising after the 91 Gulf War." <br /><br />And you left out that he could not have done it without the USA's help in both cases. <br /><br />"Estimates of the death tool there range from 200,000 to half a million."<br /><br />Those estimates are overblown. Less than 30,000 were found in mass graves after the US invasion, and way more than that went into mass graves AFTER the US invasion....there were 40,000 buried in Najaf alone by July 2007. <br /><br />"Then he coldly corrupted the UN Oil for Food program and diverted food, medicine, and other funds from the people that rose up against him."<br /><br />And oddly enough, people working for the UN program quit in protest NOT because of Saddam, but because the sanctions were brutally killing innocents. They did not see it as Saddam's fault.<br /><br />"Any attempt to equate the two situations is a massive misunderstanding of both situations."<br /><br />And who is equating the two situations? <br /><br />I was comparing violent overthrow to non-violent revolution.Dancewaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733269960341895623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8812043282272915800.post-61373580129436688212011-02-20T20:48:39.572-08:002011-02-20T20:48:39.572-08:00That's horrible. And you know what? The day wi...That's horrible. And you know what? The day will cry if there's no people will die.escalante bloggerhttp://www.thetvstream.info/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8812043282272915800.post-3313882202139590722011-02-20T17:50:13.040-08:002011-02-20T17:50:13.040-08:00In yesterday's thread Dancewater quoted an art...In yesterday's thread Dancewater quoted an article contrasting Iraq with Egypt which showed a either lack of knowledge or a intentional twisting of history of both countries. And it left out the most important differences between the two. <br /><br />Saddam was a sadistic ruthless tyrant that had a long history of mass murder against his own people. He used chemical weapons against the Kurds in the 80s. He used massive military hardware against the people's uprising after the 91 Gulf War. Estimates of the death tool there range from 200,000 to half a million. <br /><br />Then he coldly corrupted the UN Oil for Food program and diverted food, medicine, and other funds from the people that rose up against him. Some say that 10,000/month died from that corrupt scheme.<br /><br />In both cases, the military demonstrated its willingness to kill hundreds of thousands of people in a blind allegiance to Saddam. They knew that if Saddam would ever fall, they would face serious retribution for having carried out Saddam' orders. And Saddam had his two sons ready to take over and continue his reign of terror.<br /><br />There was no way a peaceful revolution would ever have occurred in Iraq.<br /><br />Contrast that with Egypt. Mubarak had been a high ranking military officer as had been Nasser and Sadat before him. But he angered the military officers by trying to set up his son Gamal, who had no military experience, as his successor. Plus the military received huge amounts of aid in money and equipment from the US. Most of the officers had spent considerable time training in the US and had regular, ongoing contact with US officials for decades. Perhaps most importantly, the military is held in high regard by the people in Egypt and any act against the people would destroy that trust.<br /><br />The military wanted Mubarak out, didn't want Gamal to succeed him, and didn't want to lose its aid from the US. They knew their equipment would quickly fall into disrepair without US aid. Thus Mubarak was pushed out without massive bloodshed.<br /><br />Any attempt to equate the two situations is a massive misunderstanding of both situations.The Wiznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8812043282272915800.post-11435815600298639352011-02-20T16:19:25.518-08:002011-02-20T16:19:25.518-08:00Gaddafi and his supporters are promising to bring ...Gaddafi and his supporters are promising to bring "Iraq-style liberation" to Libya.Dancewaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733269960341895623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8812043282272915800.post-7535417624586216952011-02-20T16:17:21.566-08:002011-02-20T16:17:21.566-08:00this report gives 65 dead:
Afghan officials alle...this report gives 65 dead:<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/20/AR2011022000276.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">Afghan officials allege 65 civilians killed in U.S. military operation</a>Dancewaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733269960341895623noreply@blogger.com